Session 282

As a nontraditional student when you have more responsibilities than the average premed out there, is it a good enough reason to not get any experience at all? Here’s why you need to get shadowing and clinical experience when you’re applying to medical school!

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[01:08] The MCAT Minute

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It’s such a common question that comes across all the time is “What score do I need to get into medical school?” And this usually comes in the frame of what their GPA looks like.

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Now, there are schools out there that use rubrics in terms of evaluating an application. If you use a rubric, then a MCAT score is going to be converted into a score in the rubric. The GPA is going to be converted into a score in a rubric. Therefore, you would assume that a higher MCAT score means a higher score in a rubric. A higher GPA means a higher score in a rubric. And the higher point is what matters.

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[03:11] OldPreMeds Question of the Week

“I am in my senior year as an out-of-state undergraduate student and I have not had a car while I have been in college to travel to clinical and volunteer. 

I have shadowed and gotten as much clinical and volunteering as I could in the times I was home but that means I don’t have a lot of hours. 

How do I present this on my application and will they be understanding about it?”

[03:37] The Goal of Your Medical School Application

As a nontrad, when you have family or a job, you don’t have as much time for clinical hours. This is a very common struggle that nontraditional students have.

Now, think of this situation. If you want to be a baseball player, but you don’t have time to practice and really be good, will the coaches understand that? Will they still pick you? Probably not.

As you’re applying to medical school, you need to prove academic capability and that you know what you’re getting yourself into. It comes from you putting yourself around physicians and patients. That’s where that experience comes from. So then you talk about it in your personal statement, your activity descriptions, and your secondaries. Medical schools will ask you to talk about your most meaningful clinical experience.

And so, the clinical experience is a huge deal not just to have hours on an application that you can just write off because you didn’t have a car.We live in a day and age where we have Uber, Lyft, taxis, buses, trains, planes, or whatever means. We have the ability to get to where we can go if you have the resources.

[05:36] Get More Clinical Experience

Ultimately, even if you have less hours, you can still make it work. Only having things during the summer because that’s the only time you have access to a car is not a good enough excuse.

Now, you could still get into medical school. But I recommend that you go home, get access to vehicles and whatever else you need, and then work on getting the experience. It’s not just more hours, but getting the experience that you need to prove to yourself and to prove to the medical schools that you understand what you’re getting yourself into.

The goal of the medical school application is to get that experience, reflect on it, and then talk about it in your personal statement. Write about it in your extracurricular descriptions, your activity descriptions, and then talk about it in your secondaries. Write about it in your secondaries, and talk about it in your medical school interviews.

Plenty of students have gotten in without clinical experience. And I would love to pick the brain of the admissions committee member who accepted those without any clinical experience.

I would love to do some long-term studies on how happy you are as a physician after 5, 10, 15 years without any clinical experience. Because I really want to make sure you are getting yourself into something you are going to enjoy. You’re going to go into a lot of debt. You’re going to go into a stressful career that a lot of people just aren’t suited for.

And so, as a nontraditional student, don’t try to use the excuse of being a nontrad as to why you don’t have clinical experience and shadowing. And don’t use COVID as an excuse as to why you don’t have these things.

[08:27] How Many Hours Do You Need?

You need to go out and get these experiences. You need to go out and get these experiences. I don’t know how many hours you need. The admissions committees have their own thresholds and numbers that they’re looking for. 

I hate throwing out numbers because it’s not just the number that matters. A lot of students could get all of the hours they “need” freshman year, and then what are they doing the other several years before they apply to medical school? It’s the same thing with GPA. If you have a 3.3 GPA, I don’t know what that means.

So when you are in this process as a nontraditional student, as someone who has other responsibilities outside of medicine. Understand that it doesn’t give you free rein to not get anything. You will likely have less hours than someone else, but having no hours or only doing things during the summers is probably not good enough.

Understand the importance of clinical experience and why even as a nontraditional student with how busy your life is, you still need to go get something.

Try to be consistent even once a month. Go out there and get something that fits your schedule, your lifestyle, and everything else to prove to yourself that this is truly what you want. Prove to yourself that you’re not just chasing some pipe dream that you thought about a long time ago.

Links:

Meded Media

Nontrad Premed Forum

Premedforums.com

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