What Is a Cardiac Anesthesiologist?

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What Is a Cardiac Anesthesiologist?

Session 45

Dr. Maninder Singh is an academic Cardiac Anesthesiologist. He’s been out of his fellowship now for four and a half years. And he’s in a large academic medical center in Cleveland, Ohio. In our conversation, we talk about everything that you need to know about the field.

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[01:35] Why He Chose Cardiac Anesthesiology

Being the medical student who loves everything, he was interested in every rotation he was on. And he found that anesthesiology was the perfect mixture of everything. So it was more of a decision of exclusion where after he excluded everything else, the only one left was anesthesia.

What really drove him to the specialty was being close to the fire, where it gets ugly really quickly, and then you get to control things and everything gets back to normal.

Cardiac was fun for him, too. He always had that interest in cardiology because of the physiology. So it’s the level of understanding and the impact you can have on the patient in an acute setting. Not to mention the outcomes you get to see right away were the things he was attracted to cardiology.

What really drew him to anesthesiology over emergency medicine is because the days are a little more regimented from a standpoint that he was able to have more control over his schedule. It made more sense to him back then.

[05:15] Personal Qualities that Lead to Becoming a Good Cardiac Anesthesiologist

Maninder cites the traits that lead to becoming a good anesthesiologist are being a good leader and a good communicator. Also, you have to be confident in your skills. He best describes it as being closest to the fire without being inside the fire. He also mentions that cardiography has become huge in the last five to ten years.

Being a team leader is the most important personal quality for a cardiac anesthesiologist.Click To Tweet

[07:10] Why Having an Anesthesiology Subspecialty is Important

Maninder explains having a subspecialty gives you different options within the field. And from the patient population standpoint, it’s different when you’re putting a four-old-baby to sleep versus a 30-year-old athlete with an ACL tear. And versus a 90-year-old person with another severe condition to sleep. So a lot depends on the type of surgery, the comorbidities of the patient, etc.

The field is changing dramatically with all the procedures they have available. So it’s nice to be an expert for that exact procedure and that exact population.

[09:10] Types of Cases Seen by a Cardiac Anesthesiologist

Maninder cites cardiovascular issues as the number one cause of death. From a cardiac standpoint, cases they deal with are bypass surgery, issues with valves. Moreover, congenital cardiac patients are living longer now so they see them in their adult lives.

From a heart failure standpoint, there is a huge shortage for heart transplant organs. As a result, lots of people are placed on assist devices until an organ is available.

50% of their cases are cardio-thoracic, which includes lung surgery, as well. And some cardiac surgery which is half bypass operation and half of which are valve replacements or valve repairs.

[11:06] Community versus Academic Cardiac Anesthesiology

There are lots of community-based programs that are busy and have a huge demand for cardiac anesthesia. It used to be that after the surgeon does the surgery and the bypass, and now you call the cardiologist to the operating room to take a look at the valves. So you bring another physician provider into the room. Now, you’ve taken cardiology out of the operating room.

Maninder says this is one of the reasons to be in academia: The patients you see are a lot sicker. The operations you’re doing are on patients who are much sicker.

Working in an academic setting means you get to teach residents, which keeps you on your toes and keeps your skills up to speed.Click To Tweet

In terms of taking call, they take one-weekend day of call per month which is about 24 hour-in house on a weekend. They will do anywhere from one to two weekend days, which is usually a sixteen-hour call. You go on at 3pm and stay until 7am. A cardiac call ends up being a home call. There are 25 of them so they end up having to do it one weekend a month for calls, which is a big academic practice.

[13:20] Cardiac Anesthesiologist Lifestyle and Work-Life Balance

Maninder says one of the main benefits of being in anesthesiology is that you get to live a more structured life. Cardiac is one of the busiest subspecialties out of all subspecialties in anesthesiology. But it’s pretty well-balanced, so you have a decent lifestyle as a cardiac anesthesiologist.

One of the benefits of being in anesthesia: your life is a little bit more structured.Click To Tweet

It’s also center-specific. So they would do one case a day and they’re done by 2-3 pm. By that time, they finish their paperwork and then be home by 4-5pm. And probably go to the hospital by 7am. So he still gets to have dinner with his family and take care of his kid.

[14:25] The Path to Residency and Fellowship for a Cardiac Anesthesiologist

Once you are out of medical school, you will apply for an anesthesia residency. It used to be advanced, which is some sort of general training. And a transition year from general surgery to medicine. And then you have three years of dedicated anesthesia training.

Then the cardiac fellowship is one additional year where you deal with high-intensity programs. You basically do multiple cases a day, while getting good at providing anesthesia for patients in terms of anesthetic management. Then you try to become sufficient and be certified in doing cardiography. So it’s five years in total.

Maninder describes matching to not as terribly competitive in general. Chronic pain and cardiac are the most competitive. Pediatric is getting more competitive as well. But certainly, it’s much easier to get into cardiac anesthesiology that it is to get into anesthesiology.

For students interested in doing cardiac anesthesiology to stand out, Maninder recommends to learn the residency program you’re in. Shadow a cardiac anesthesiologist to see what they’re doing. Understand the intensity to see if this is the right field for you.

If you have the intensity and the dedication and the desire, Maninder says you will succeed no matter what. You can do research or anything that’s going to help you in your anesthesia residency. This shows that you’re really interested in the field.

There's an intensity that goes with cardiac anesthesiology. So you need to see if that intensity is right for you.Click To Tweet

[Related episode: Looking at Anesthesiology Match Data and Other Surveys.]

[17:10] Is There Bias Against DOs in Cardiac Anesthesiology?

Maninder sees no roadblocks for osteopaths who are looking into taking this path. He has met multiple cardiac anesthesiologists who are DOs, and he finds them phenomenal and even better. He has trained with DOs, and he has trained DOs. At least on the East Coast where he did his training, he didn’t see any bias against DOs in cardiac anesthesiology.

[Related episode: MD vs DO: What Are the Differences (and Similarities)?]

What Other Specialties Do You Work With as a Cardiac Anesthesiologist?

Sometimes, they do work with primary care providers depending on the situation. Other specialties he works the closest with include medicine, surgery, all kinds of surgical subspecialties, pathology, psychiatry, internal medicine, endoscopy, GI bleeds, and just about every subspecialty there is.

[19:33] Opportunities for Cardiac Anesthesiologists Outside of Clinical Medicine

Maninder doesn’t see a lot of opportunities outside of clinical medicine, but there is teaching.

But if you wanted to go into the industry, Maninder admits all the big stuff is coming out. The big thing right now is the percutaneous valves they’re doing. it’s probably the only research going on relating to valves.

There’s a lot of percutaneous devices coming out for patients with atrial fibrillation. And a lot of things coming out related to assit devices for patients with heart failure. That said, the industry is booming as more and more procedures are getting available and people are getting well.

Cardiac anesthesia and cardiac surgery is booming because of all that's going on in the industry.Click To Tweet

[21:02] What He Wished He Knew about Cardiac Anesthesiology

He wished he knew about the intensity of it at times. Because you don’t appreciate it while you’re in the moment. And you only appreciate it when you have a nice easy day or case. So at times, he thinks the intensity gets a little bit too much. But even if he had known that, he still would have gone down the same path.

What he does now during intense situations is to remind himself that there are things that you can’t fix. You do the best you can. You have to have all your algorithms so you don’t miss anything. Just be a good leader and be a good communicator. Make sure you leave no stone unturned. Be loud and clear

It's okay to ask for help from the standpoint of just wanting a fresh set of eyes.Click To Tweet

[22:52] What He Likes Most and Least About Being a Cardiac Anesthesiologist

Maninder’s favorite part is echocardiography, which is essentially one of the main reasons he got to do his electrocardiography elective as an anesthesiology resident. This was the time when he was still considering between pediatric and cardiac anesthesiology. And so it was the last thing that made him switch over to cardiac anesthesiology.

Maninder's favorite part of cardiac anesthesiology is echocardiography.Click To Tweet

On the flip side, what he likes the least is not having enough cases. Not enough crazy cases. But he’s quite sure that will change when he’s 50 years old. But at this point, he says it would be nice to do more craziness.

[24:05] Major Changes in the Future for Cardiac Anesthesiology

A lot of devices are coming up in the cardio scene. Take, for example, microregurgitation: When the patient would have to go in for an open chest procedure, now they can do a percutaneous device, so the patient can go home the same day or the next day. They do the procedure on valves. They started with aortic valves and now they’re doing mitral valves. These are the patients that are high risk for all the long rehab that goes with an open heart surgery.

They’re doing more and more assist devices for the heart transplant patients waiting for an organ to come in. When the organ comes, they’d come in and call them essentially a bridge therapy, which is a bridge to their transplant.

Moreover, there’s a lot more management for atrial fibrillation, which are high-risk patients for stroke, secondary to atrial fibrillation. And for patients who have a contraindication for being on anticoagulants. They have procedures to close up the atrial appendage so patients don’t have to be on anti-coagulation medications.

As cardiac anesthesiologists, they don’t deploy the valves directly, but they are an integral part of that. For example, they identify the appendage for the cardiologist or they are finding exactly where to put the valve in. Too deep or too shallow, the valves are not going to sit exactly where you need it to sit. This is all guided by electrocardiography. And this is what’s going to help a cardiologist and a surgeon do the procedure.

Even though we are not actually deploying the valve, we are telling them exactly where to deploy the valve.Click To Tweet

As a result, it makes you feel like you’re a big part of the team because they rely on the information you’re telling them. This is a concrete example of collaboration. Maninder also likes to tell his residents that they are the eyes of the surgeon.

Sure, there is pressure, but you need to back yourself up and train the best possible way you can. And there are times when you have to make those big decisions because they need you.

[28:50] Final Words of Wisdom from a Cardiac Anesthesiologist

If Maninder had to do it all over again, he would still have chosen to become a cardiac anesthesiologist.

His advice to students interested in the field is to just do it. Don’t think twice about it. It’s one of the best specialties. From a job security standpoint, you’re doing something that not many anesthesiologists can do in terms of cardiography. You’ve gotten all this training, so you’re always in demand.

His advice to students interested in cardiac anesthesiology: Just do it. Don't think twice about it.Click To Tweet

Be prepared to work hard, and people will appreciate your hard work. You will essentially become the go-to person for every sick patient, for every big case, and for managing patients. And if you don’t shy away from those things, then it’s the best field you can possibly go into.

So if you’re thinking about anesthesiology, take a look at cardiac anesthesiology. Find a cardiac anesthesiologist to shadow. It’s the best next step you can take on this journey.

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